tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post3178983009410288639..comments2023-10-31T08:57:16.366-04:00Comments on Tall Tree Cycles Ride Log: Gluing Tubulars for CyclocrossMatt Surchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04244780566118768642noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-51479794244454623802013-12-18T15:56:18.131-05:002013-12-18T15:56:18.131-05:00Don't think tubeless will ever replace tubular...Don't think tubeless will ever replace tubular tyres. On the road the rims are just so much lighter, maybe with road discs you can make a safe light tubeless rim, but I just don't see it. In triathlon and TT I think tubeless will be the way to go, weight is not such a big issue and the lower rolling resistance is king. In CX tubeless will newer be as safe and subtle as tubular, but tubeless is easier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-39377143078034822952013-05-15T11:46:39.189-04:002013-05-15T11:46:39.189-04:00It seems tubeless is certainly buying a chew on ou...It seems tubeless is certainly buying a chew on out of the tubular industry, however together, completely new everyone is being received by the actual tubular industry at this point, I will see tubeless gaining popularity for your typical speed.coating for tubularshttp://www.impreglon.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-66633708119837622812013-04-30T13:34:19.609-04:002013-04-30T13:34:19.609-04:00CtP, it seems some riders are indeed using tubeles...CtP, it seems some riders are indeed using tubeless, and that the courses they ride factor heavily in the decision. Around here, we're almost exclusively on grass, and its not normally really wet and muddy. So we have pretty good grip often, especially on frozen ground. This means rolling tires is a primary concern, and that's where tubeless really suffer. I think the majority of our team are now using the belgian tape method, which is tenacious. No rolled tires. Getting them off is not fun.Matt Surchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244780566118768642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-89332746458448502702013-04-30T13:05:33.156-04:002013-04-30T13:05:33.156-04:00It seems tubeless is definitely getting a chew out...It seems tubeless is definitely getting a chew out of the tubular industry, but simultaneously, new people are coming into the tubular industry now, I can see tubeless becoming more popular for the average racerCoating For Packershttp://www.impreglon.com/impreglon-advantage/impreglon-processnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-14312947366047648882010-10-26T13:52:28.794-04:002010-10-26T13:52:28.794-04:00Doesn't take that much time ... seriously. It...Doesn't take that much time ... seriously. It took more time to read the article then it does to actually do it. The disadvantages I've seen with 95% of the clincher tires out there today are the low quality/thread counts, poor tread rubber used, and low casing volumes as compared to quality tubular tires. I haven't yet used the Challenge clinchers and don't know of anyone else who has/does, but that would be interesting to try and see how they compare directly to their tubular counterparts. We have a couple pairs at the shop but no one has bought them yet over the past two years.Nathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-63185138571300884862010-10-22T20:50:20.037-04:002010-10-22T20:50:20.037-04:00It actually looks like a lot more effort than it i...It actually looks like a lot more effort than it is, at least if you are only doing a set of tires every year or two. Its not really a big deal, just a bunch of steps to follow. But yeah, this is really the sort of thing that will appeal to some folks and not others, and that's fine. When it comes to squeaking out ounces of performance, some are willing to put in the time and effort. Nobody's saying tubulars are the way to go for everybody, or even anybody all the time.<br /><br />If you run tubes for cross, I suggest getting ahold of a pair of Challenge latex tubes for a more supple, tubular-ish ride.Matt Surchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244780566118768642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-62226484598071438202010-10-22T19:12:30.373-04:002010-10-22T19:12:30.373-04:00Looks like a lot of work but as you said Matt - it...Looks like a lot of work but as you said Matt - it is a form of craftsmanship and you are rewarded with your results.<br /><br />Too much maintenance for me just yet...(I'm the dude that only uses liquid ski wax and waxless classics)...but I will keep tabs on what you experts conclude.Madmountainmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05215474927972800563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-20348202028834995712010-10-22T17:06:42.956-04:002010-10-22T17:06:42.956-04:00I have a funny story though about a guy that used ...I have a funny story though about a guy that used tubless.<br />He flatted half way to work... didn't bring a spare.<br />He was stuck walking bare foot in the hot summer pavement for miles.<br />(didn't want to walk in road shoes)<br />When he got to work, his feet were blistered.<br /><br />man-o-man, the work we make for ourselves ...<br /><br />I don't use road shoes. Ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-8332997209366897252010-10-22T17:03:02.846-04:002010-10-22T17:03:02.846-04:00that's too much work!
And, what the heck do yo...that's too much work!<br />And, what the heck do you do if you flat?<br /><br />me, I use to use a tub filled with stans. Tubless rims as well.<br />Double protection. <br /><br />Just go thin walled on the inner tub and fill it up with Stans...<br /><br />voila - double protection. Never any movement...<br /><br />that's just too much work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-91551963503943421162010-10-22T13:28:32.574-04:002010-10-22T13:28:32.574-04:00Nathan, I'd be pretty miffed if I went out and...Nathan, I'd be pretty miffed if I went out and bought new clinchers to run instead of my tubulars, only to see others get by with too fat treads. You either measure, and do it fairly, or you don't measure. That's it, simple. Sure, you didn't roll a clincher, but if they really were just as good as your tubs you'd give up gluing, wouldn't you?<br /><br />Craig, I agree, I definitely think people get a lot more out of the gluing process than a set of tires stuck to their rims. There is a real sense of pride people take in it. Its also an old-world technology that anchors us in the past, provides a sense of continuity in experience. I think this must be comforting for many amidst the sea of technorabble, bicycle-related and otherwise. <br /><br />It seems tubeless is definitely taking a bite out of the tubular market, but at the same time, new folks are entering the tubular market now, like myself.Ten years ago I'd have never imagined I'd wind up gluing tires. Now, not only have I jumped in, but so have a few of the other guys. MAybe its because we're all mtb guys, and we've been obsessed with tires for years? I don't know, probably. Tires have never just been 'tires' to us. Seeing the best in the world use tubulars, and hearing people we trust tell us how much better they work left us with one choice: glue. <br /><br />On the other hand, three out of four of us new gluers are also veteran tubeless riders. We were convinced years ago about the superiority of tubeless for mtb. On the road side, the tires are still just too small. We want 28s and 30s to see tubeless working for us for most of our riding, but then 25s like Neil has been using would likely be mint on our new Stan's wheels for the smoother riding. I think tubeless for road is going to become quite popular soon for the masses. For PROs, at least one Tour team has been running tubeless, but I wouldn;t be quick to say others will follow soon. Yes, it would be simpler for mechanics, but riders would not be able to ride flats as safely, which is a negative. Time will tell.<br /><br />For cross, I can see tubeless becoming more popular for the average racer, but still resisted by higher end racers. Until more than one company makes a selection of tires with a super tight bead that really does stay on the rim at low pressures, riders won't likely ditch tubulars for tubeless. For monster cross riding though, tubeless is the obvious choice. Again, more tire options will help people adopt the set-up. <br /><br />This is much like the 29er scene. Until more tires came online, people waited. People are waiting for tubeless for cross and road, they like options. <br /><br />2011 will be a year of tubeless experimentation for me. I'll aim to run anything bigger than 30c (slicks) tubeless. If something like the Grand Bois comes out in 30 that will seal, I'll try it. In theory, a tubeless tire should be as supple, and even more supple, than a tubular. I hope to find out.Matt Surchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244780566118768642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-90483535329365540522010-10-22T11:05:20.672-04:002010-10-22T11:05:20.672-04:00Man, that's a ton of work! Kind of like fly t...Man, that's a ton of work! Kind of like fly tying (fishing) or waxing skis for xc. I imagine it takes on an art form of it's own. Very cool.<br /><br />Do you think with the popularity of tubeless systems with road/cx that that system may take over gluing? I know that there will be old schoolers out there that will always use the glue method of course.<br /><br />Nice post Matt.the original big ringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865105701772620245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-42125397579028234282010-10-21T21:21:01.675-04:002010-10-21T21:21:01.675-04:00The UCI officials did check tire widths in Toronto...The UCI officials did check tire widths in Toronto before the call up, but not in a completely uniform fashion. First day I walked directly through the bike check area, unchecked. The second day I saw some suspect tires which didn't pass through the gauge "helped" meet muster. It seemed quite subjective, which it shouldn't be to be fair. I chose to ride my clincher wheels on the weekend and had no issues. Not as good as the tubs but it didn't seem to slow me down... unlike that barricade.Nathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-55067018419500641732010-10-20T16:07:27.895-04:002010-10-20T16:07:27.895-04:00Why do you think it was down there in the first pl...Why do you think it was down there in the first place? Those are clean brushes, the glass remains undefiled.Matt Surchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244780566118768642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9001519296846134184.post-80790699701884375872010-10-20T15:51:07.813-04:002010-10-20T15:51:07.813-04:00That's a funny but quaint use for your D2R2 so...That's a funny but quaint use for your D2R2 souvenir beer glass. I tend to drink beer from mine.Pasciihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16974673924952791873noreply@blogger.com